Thursday, July 30, 2009

Patriarch Kirill and political orthodoxy

30 July 2009

Professor Zenon Wasyliw
In a letter published in the Kyiv Post on July 30, Zenon V. Wasyliw, professor of history at Ithaca College in Ithaca, NY caught my attention. The thing that puzzled me was that the Orthodox Church in America was not universally recognized by the world-wide orthodox community as an autocephalous Orthodox church.

Here is the Kyiv Post news article:

According to Zenon Wasyliw, Putin, Medvedev and Kirill are a powerful Russian troika engaged in joint political and religious manipulations.

His Beatitude Metropolitan Volodymyr (Sabodan), leader of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarch), addressed representatives of local Orthodox churches under the presidency and invitation of Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew last October. He cited the vibrancy, growth and strong structure of his church. He noted continued dialogues striving toward church unity with representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church that are not canonically recognized. The three combined jurisdictions would number over 17,000 Ukrainian parish communities.

Despite these impressive statistics and sincere efforts toward unity, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarch) is not officially recognized as a particular church. It is not accorded the same status as that of the world’s 15 autocephalous Orthodox churches. Metropolitan Volodymyr was only a guest speaker at the Phanar. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is officially a branch of the Russian Orthodox Church.

An article on Patriarch Kirill’s enthronement, published in the Orthodox Church of America’s official publication, The Orthodox Church, cites Metropolitan Vladimir (or Volodymyr) of Kyiv as one of the Russian Church’s two senior hierarchs. There is never any mention of a Ukrainian Orthodox Church. This status evolved politically under Russian tsarist expansive imperialism and Soviet control of and collaboration with the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. We now live in post-colonial and post-Soviet times that call for an honest acceptance of autocephalous self-governance for Orthodox Christians in Ukraine.

Patriarch Kirill opposes “political orthodoxy,” yet the Russian Orthodox Church closely collaborates with Russian leaders Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev in spreading a Russian nationalist (some say proto-fascist) message in Russia and the “near abroad.”

Putin, Medvedev and Kirill, a powerful Russian troika, engage in joint political and religious commemorations of the White General Anton Denikin, supporting and echoing Denikin’s denigration of Ukrainians, the political canonization into sainthood of Tsar Nicholas II, his wife and five children, in support of a reactionary Russian imperial ideological foundation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy and Russian Nationality with its legacy of chauvinistic policies and pogroms.

Many other examples bring to question whether Patriarch Kirill’s visit is a political mission to re-engage a reactionary past of a revived vision of Russian imperial control over Ukraine.

The Russian Orthodox Church remains silent on many recent and current human rights abuses by the Russian state, such as the suspicious deaths of journalists critical of the government, the assault upon the human rights group Memorial, the censorship and political control of history, among many others.

The Russian troika should accept that Ukrainians have their own identities and values in a post-colonial and post-Soviet space. Good relations between Ukraine and Russia are important and should be based on mutual respect and equality, not spheres of influence through ecclesiastical control. Only a self-governing, autocephalous Ukrainian Orthodox Church can spiritually respond to Ukrainians’ unique and varied identities, developments and issues. The Russian Orthodox Church in Russia has its own issues and concerns it needs to attend.
Serge Schmemann, son of the famous Orthodox theologian, notes in the April 2009 National Geographic the catastrophically low level of monthly church attendance in Russia, estimated at 10 percent to less than 1 percent. Ukraine, on the other hand has a far higher level of belief and liturgical participation. Metropolitan Volodymyr has stated that over 70 percent of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church membership is found in the nationally conscious and linguistically Ukrainian European oriented western half of Ukraine, in contrast to the Eurasian orientation of Russian Orthodoxy.

The only true realizable path toward self-governance is the return of a Kyivan-Ukrainian Orthodox Church Metropolitan in union with the Ecumenical Patriarchate, as was the case prior to its political assimilation into the Moscow Patriarchate in 1686. Those of Russian nationalist orientations in Ukraine can be served by Russian patriarchal clergy, as is done in the United States. But it is evident that Patriarch Kirill, with the political influence of Putin and Medvedev, will not acknowledge this right.

An Autocephalous Ukrainian Orthodox Church, with its primate in Kyiv and not Moscow, will best serve the spiritual needs of its faithful and the realities of daily life. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church would then join world Orthodoxy as an equal to the Autocephalous Orthodox Churches of Albania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Georgia, Greece, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia and the four ancient patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Autocephaly is not a myth reality.

I wrote to Professor Wasyliw:

(July 31)
"Dear Professor Wasyliw,

"Your observations in the July 30 edition of the Kyiv Post regarding Patriarch Kirill and political orthodoxy are interesting. I agree with your last comment. However, I am puzzled why you did not include the Autocephalous Orthodox Church in America in your list. Was this an oversight?

"Arseny Pavel (Eugene) Kovalenko, Ph.D.
Outreach Committee
St. Dimitri of Rostov mission parish
Orthodox Church in America
Los Alamos, New Mexico"

The good professor replied:

(August 1)
"Dear Dr. Kovalenko,

"Christ is Among Us!
Thank you for the email. My list of autocephalous Orthodox Churches came from the October 2008 official gathering of Primates of Autocephalous Churches at the Phanar, which did not include the OCA as the OCA's autocephaly is not yet universally recognized by world orthodoxy. I did refer to the autocephaly of the OCA earlier in my piece, but it was edited out. I welcome further questions or comments.

"Best wishes,

"Zenon V. Wasyliw
Professor and Chairperson
Department of History
Coordinator of Social Studies Teacher Education School of Humanities and Sciences Ithaca College..."

I responded:

(August 1)
"Dear Zenon,

"...Your response surprised me! However, having now read the Message of the Primates of the Orthodox Churches (Phanar, October 12th, 2008), I understand how this could have happened. The OCA was at that very moment without a functioning metropolitan and thus not in a position to send an appropriate representative of rank.

"From your historical perspective can you explain why, other than the above situation, the OCA is not yet universally recognized by world orthodoxy? You are aware, I’m sure, that the OCA received autocephaly from its Russian Orthodox parent in Moscow in 1970. Is this the problem, given the state of the ROC in the Soviet Union in those days?..."

Professor Wasyliv again replies:

(August 5)
"Dear Evgeny,

"I have been following developments in the OCA both through the official website and Metropolitan Jonah does offer an explanation regarding non-recognition by the Ecumenical Patriarch and by a number of Diaspora Churches. Patriarch St. Tikhon was indeed a strong influence during a very brief period of Russian Orthodox church/state separation as a result of the Russian Revolutions of 1917. His funeral was one of the last large public religious manifestations in the USSR prior to Stalin's attempted destruction of the Church. The Russian Orthodox Church prior to 1917 had tremendous resources and moral support of the Tsarist imperial state at its disposal, including North America. Many Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Churches in North America were constructed through the generosity of the Tsar. The very impressive church in Coaldale, PA comes to mind. With the mission also came a strong Russian nationalist identity that sought to gather and assimilate Carpatho-Rusyns and Galician Ukrainians into a Russian identity and Russian liturgical practices. This is why there exist Carpatho-Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox jurisdiction under the Ecumenical Patriarchate and significant Eastern Catholic jurisdictions of both backgrounds. Although church nationalism was not unique to Russian jurisdictions, but also Greek, Serbian, Ukrainian, etc... I would argue that currently Patriarch Kirill has strong ties with the Russian political leadership that moves to glorify and possibly implement a mythical pre-reform Russian Imperial past. The inclusion of ROCOR through the direct intervention of both Putin and Medvedev is a case in point along with human rights abuses, denigration and criticism of democratic ideals and non-recognition of religious expressions beyond core denominations. This is where Ukraine differs with truly open religious freedom, almost on the verge of anarchy. I hope I am wrong about Patriarch Kirill, but I have yet see evidence to the contrary regarding his political involvement.

"The OCA was indeed granted autocephaly by Moscow in 1970. This was not decided in collaboration with or affirmed by other canonical churches. This was also granted during a period when the Russian Orthodox Church was closely supervised by the Soviet state and reportedly collaborated with Soviet state authorities. The OCA has and continues to retain strong ties with the Moscow Patriarchate as Metropolitans Theodosius, Herman and now Jonah accumulated frequent flier miles through many trips to Moscow, and according to OCA News, the first two church leaders were engaged in questionable financial transactions when in Moscow and in the United States. But this is an issue outside of my authority and not for me to judge. I believe in the idea of a multicultural and not simply assimilated American Orthodox Church with room for ethnic churches to exist alongside assimilated "American" parishes as transnational identities and diasporas are a reality with global migration and communication. There are many very good and decent people in the OCA. I personally know and respect a number of the clergy, but the initiative and leadership has to be somehow shared and not simply a jurisdictional assimilation into the OCA.

"I was very surprised to read on OCA News that there are 23,000 members nationally in the OCA compared with much higher earlier estimates of 1 million. I believe Metropolitan Jonah cites the more accurate figure of 100,000. I believe other jurisdictions face similar membership figures and declines. In the end, we are all on a similar mission of spreading the word and faith and can work together. By the way, I am a member of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA under the Ecumenical Patriarch. I am a communicant of the Ukrainian but English speaking St. John parish in Johnson City, NY a one hour commute, was married in a Greek Orthodox Church and have attended OCA services...

"z Bohom,

Sunday, July 26, 2009

OCA Assembly in Atlanta

Sunday, July 26
It was a pleasure to attend the OCA Diocese of the South Assembly in Atlanta this past week as an observer. I had two main objectives: 1) meet Metropolitan Jonah; 2) sing in the choir. Both were met.

Beyond this was the making of several new friendships. Three were choir directors, one a Lutheran minister and the other a recent convert like myself. I look forward to deepening these friendships over the next months and years.

Of particular interest to me is Metropolitan Jonah's Keynote address on Wednesday evening. In the Question and Answer period someone asked him a question about dreams. I did not understand his response, since the acoustics of the room were too reverberating. I have yet to finish listening to the recorded address where that subject was addressed.

In discussing this with local priest Fr. John Hennies, who was also at the Assembly but did not attend the keynote address, he advised me to write a letter directly to the metropolitan if I did not understand or agree with his comments. This I will do.

Thursday, July 30
Today I spoke to Fr. Jacob of St. John the Wonder Worker Parish in Atlanta, after having listened to Metropolitan Jonah's keynote address as recorded on their website. When I explained that I couldn't find Met. Jonah's response to the question about dreams, Fr. Jacob said he could tell me directly what was said and did so, since he heard everything clearly from the front row.

He said that Met. Jonah did not express his personal opinion, but referred to the tradition fathers, who apparently did not generally think much of dreams. When I explained that I have had a deep interest in dreams for more than 30 years and their importance in our lives and that I intended to write to Met. Jonah directly, Fr. Jacob suggested I wait and read several Orthodox publications in order to put my letter into context. He then offered to send reference reading, specific to the subject, which I agreed was good counsel.

On August 2 To begin our discussion Fr. Jacob sent me a quote from St. John the Ladder, who wrote from a monastery in the 5th century.
25. It is impossible to hide the fact that our mind, which is the organ of knowledge, is extremely imperfect and full of all kinds of ignorance. The palate distinguishes different foods, the hearing discerns thoughts, the sun reveals the weakness of the eyes, and words betray a soul's ignorance. But the law of love is an incentive to attempt things that are beyond our capacity. And so I think (but I do not dogmatize) that after a chapter on exile, or rather in this very chapter, something should be inserted about dreams, so that we may not be in the dark concerning this trickery of our wily foes.

26. A dream is a movement of the mind while the body is at rest. A phantasy is an illusion of the eyes when the intellect is asleep. A phantasy is an ecstasy of the mind when the body is awake. A phantasy is a vision of something which does not exist in reality.

27. The reason we have decided to speak about dreams here is obvious. When we leave our homes and relatives for the Lord's sake, and sell ourselves into exile for the love of God, then the demons try to disturb us with dreams, representing to us that our relatives are either grieving or dying, or are held cap­tive for our sake and are destitute. But he who believes in dreams is like a person running after his own shadow and trying to catch it.

28. The demons of vainglory prophesy in dreams. Being un­scrupulous, they guess the future and foretell it to us. When these visions come true, we are amazed; and we are elated with the thought that we are already near to the gift of foreknowledge. A demon is often a prophet to those who believe him, but he is always a liar to those who despise him. Being a spirit, he sees what is happening in this lower air, and noticing that someone is dying, he foretells it through dreams to the more light-minded.But the demons know nothing about the future from fore­knowledge. For if they did, then the fortunetellers would also be able to foretell our death.

29. Demons often transform themselves into angels of light and take the form of martyrs, and make it appear to us during sleep that we are in communication with them. Then, when we wake up, they plunge us into unholy joy and conceit. But you can detect their deceit by this very fact. For angels reveal tor­ments, judgments and separations; and when we wake up we find that we are trembling and sad. As soon as we begin to be­lieve the demons in dreams, then they make sport of us when we are awake too. He who believes in dreams is completely in­experienced. But he who distrusts all dreams is a wise man. Only believe dreams that warn you of torments and judgments. But if despair afflicts you, then such dreams are also from demons.

When I replied that I thought this quote was made from ignorance, Fr. Jacob became offended, declaring that this saint's writings are revered by Orthodox believers to be second only to the scriptures. When I further explained that, while I honored the Orthodox tradition, I did not worship it and would not kneel to anyone or institution other than the Christ, our communication broke down and he ceased writing.

Before Fr. Jacob sent his final message, I listened carefully to Metropolitan Jonah's recorded answer about dreams in the Q&A section of his keynote address. He began by quoting St. John the Ladder as saying “He who pays attention to his dreams is a fool” and continued to say that the ancient fathers generally had a negative view of dreams. But, as Fr. Jacob said, Metropolitan Jonah did not express his own opinion except to warn that some dream content could be troubling. I replied to Fr. Jacob that if Jonah's quote of St. John the Ladder was true, then I, myself, was definitely a fool! But if this was so, I hoped that I could be viewed as God's Fool.

There now seems to be a need to begin a new posting on the subject of dreams from the Orthodox view. Hopefully others besides Fr. Jacob will comment. Let's call it "Orthodoxy and dreams".

Monday, July 13, 2009

First Remote PK Party

Original post: Monday, July 13, 2009
Latest update: Sunday, January 17, 2010

Jack Houck, inventor and developer of the PK Party

Monday, July 13, 2009.
Today Jack Houck, retired aerospace engineer with McDonnell Douglas and director of special projects (read: classified projects), called to inform me he had arranged to conduct the first remote PK Party tomorrow afternoon from his home in Huntington Beach, California. His friend and gifted psychic, Norma, would attempt to move the object in my house in Los Alamos, New Mexico, over a thousand miles away. The device had been constructed for this purpose in the mid 1980s. We speculated that having a well-established PK Party atmosphere would give the experiment the best chance for success. Many friends would be present to serve as a cheering section for Norma. My wife Birgitta and friend Quinn would join me at the appointed time in my home to witness any movement of one of the two hanging objects in a lidded, transparent cylindrical box.

For those not familiar with PK Parties, there is an excellent description of the process conducted by Jack Houck in the autobiographical book Travels, by the late popular novelist, Michael Crichton. The chapter is titled Spoon Bending. Furthermore, a Google search of "Spoon Bending" will offer many YouTube film clips of various successful PK Parties.

Close up of RPK device. Note hanging objects (click to enlarge)

RPK device at a distance on shelf in corner (click to enlarge)

Tuesday, July14
The first attempt to move one of the hanging objects took place today at the appointed time. Many people, young and old, were gathered at Jack Houck's house in California to help Norma make the attempt. Birgitta, Quinn and I were witnesses of the device here in New Mexico. We connected with each other in a conference call on speaker phones. At a prearranged signal the command "Move! Move! Move!" was made and the three of us in NM watched the device carefully for any signs of movement. But we saw nothing happen.

Neither of those two hanging objects gave a hint of moving.

OK, I thought, back to the drawing board! In Jack's and my respective scientific research careers, first attempts of any experiment never functioned as expected. Null events simply tell us we have to rethink our approach and try again.

Wednesday, July 15
Not so fast!! Jack called and left a voice mail message on my home phone today that an unexpected "success" had happened at his house later on Tuesday evening and he was eager to tell me about it.

Thursday, July 16
I spoke to Jack today and he described the unexpected "success". That is, his water heater sprang a leak Tuesday evening, which grew into moving the water heater off its base! He was sure this strange coincidence was connected to our experiment and was not happy about it. "No more RPK parties at my house", he declared!

As we discussed this unexpected development, we decided a PK"Party" was not the best approach, since the it was not well enough focused. In talking to Norma later, she noticed the similarity in shape of the RPK device and Jack's water heater! She also reminded Jack and me that she had warned us to be alert for a possible delayed response. We then decided it would be best to narrow our focus on her solo attempt and have video movement detection (VMD) equipment in place to record any effects at any time. We are now in process of defining and acquiring the appropriate VMD system.

Monday, August 31
Finally we have a quote on equipment that seems appropriate to our task! I have sent out an inquiry email to those who either have already expressed interest or may conceivably be interested. If anyone reading this post has not been contacted, but is interested in this project, please add a comment below or email me at enk33[at]losalamos[dot]com..

Sunday, November 8, 2009
A month after accepting the above quote the video motion detection equipment arrived. I assembled it as best I could, but couldn't get it to function correctly. Finally I contacted the supplier who came to see what was the matter. It turns out that two components were defective, so he took them with him to remedy. I'm waiting for his return.

But the downtime is time not wasted, since it has allowed time to rethink the whole approach. I’m just now finishing Quantum Mind, the Edge between Physics and Psychology, by old friend Arnold Mindell (published in 2000) that is helping me see the issue—i.e., the concept of mass and matter--in a surprisingly more “shamanic” new way. [See here for Recontacting Arnold Mindell]. My last conversation with the “Crystal Group” has also helped in this.

Brief history of project.
This project began with a dream image on the morning of August 14, 1965. I was then a nuclear materials research scientist at General Atomic Corporation in La Jolla, California. [See Sighting on this blog series] I got so excited at this image and the sighting event of that afternoon, that I began working long hours on developing an experiment, which would challenge the current notions of mass and gravity. That first experimental setup was far more complex than the present design. Needless to say, in those days such an idea was too strange to be considered seriously by the scientific community and my professional and personal life soon tanked.

It took 13 years to recover enough professional credibility to try again. This time I succeeded gaining the interest of the Eyring Research Institute (ERI) in Provo, Utah, and in spring 1978 was invited to present my ideas to an ERI military-scientific task force team, which was interested in its potential military application. The resulting proposal was almost funded by the US Air Force, based at Hill AFB, north of Salt Lake City, but at the last minute they became "spooked" by potential PR risks and the potential sponsors withdrew their support.

That would seem to be the end of it except for the initiative of one of the official proposal referees, who had enthusiastically urged that the proposal be funded. Enter Jack Houck! I did not know him at the time, but when he learned that the project would go unfunded, he and his metallurgist friend Sevren Dallin decided to work on it themselves. It was Sevren's idea, Jack says, but Jack was the one who applied the idea until it produced reproducible results. That was the birth of the PK Party, and that aspect of the proposal, i.e., spoon bending, is now a matter of international public record.

Jack and I became acquainted several years later when I was engineering manager for a Brunswick Defense Corporation subsidiary in Santa Ana, California. One of Jack's physicist buddies, Bob Beck, had been a consultant for ERI during the Provo years that I was there and knew of Jack's subsequent interest in the ill-fated USAF proposal. Since I was now located in Southern California, Bob introduced me to Jack and we struck up a stimulating friendship.

This brings us to the present situation. The notion of remote PK (RPK) has not yet been responsibly demonstrated, so far as I know. It's time to do it!

Friday, September 18, 2009

The video motion detection and recording equipment is in! I'm in process of learning how to install, set it all up and to adjust the two cameras. There will be three views on the monitor screen: North camera looking east; East camera looking north and a video cam from across the room to show the overall system. The VMD system will allow selected stations from any place in the world to view the RPK device and witness the process.

Saturday, September 19, 2009

This morning Joseph Dillard wrote:

That an object of a vaguely similar shape and function (they both contain "something"), i.e., the water heater, was moved in a quite extraordinary way certainly qualifies as synchronicity, at the very least. It implies that the "energy" doing the moving is not acting based on three dimensional principles of space and time or of our waking version of rationality. This force does not appear to distinguish between subjective, arational, non-spatial, non-temporal dream reality and "objective," "rational," spatial, temporal "waking reality. Because it operates more like the dream realm, in that it disregards such assumptions, that implies that to communicate with it and create a relationship with it we need to do our best to operate in its realm as well.

What that implies to me is that saying "move!" "move!" is a very consciously willful activity which mixes intention with cognitive constructs. It is not the way consciousness generally works in nature or in dreams.

Therefore, I would propose another approach: Why not turn the intention to move the target into a color, let that congeal into a shape, and interview it regarding its desire/intention to move? Questions could also be poised to the target and the surrounding environment regarding the experiment.

It seems to me that such an approach might have several advantages: 1) it tends to merge consciousness with both the instrumental energy involved as well as with the target; 2) it takes a decidedly non-waking, more dreamlike approach to reality and the experiment, which the force itself has a preference for; 3) it implies cooperation based on unity of subject (the experimenter) and object (the energy/target) rather than control and exploitation for conscious ends that may or may not communicate adequately or appropriately to the force.

Sunday, November 8, 2009

The video motion detection equipment purchased over a month ago was found to be defective and has been returned to the supplier to be remedied. I expect to have it back in a week or two. But the downtime is time not wasted, since it has allowed time to rethink the whole approach. I’m just now finishing Quantum Mind, the Edge between Physics and Psychology, by old friend Arnold Mindell (published in 2000) that is helping me see the issue—i.e., the concept of mass and matter--in a surprisingly more “shamanic” new way [see Recontacting Arnold Mindell]. Joseph Dillard's Integral Deep Listening approach above had already softened me up for Mindell's monumental work. Also, my last conversation with “Crystal Group” friends Rex, Ken and Clark has helped.

Friday the Thirteenth, November, 2009
The day after I entered the previous post, son Steve wrote: "Have you seen this movie yet?"

Knowing nothing about the movie, having ignored all the marketing hooks and hype for it, I had not even intended to see it until Steve wrote the above. Now curious, Birgitta and I went to see it the next day at the local theater. MY GOD!!! I can hardly believe how timely and relevant to this blog thread this film is!! Friend Jack Houck was one of the long-ago participants in the training of the RV team that the movie spoofs. The producers have obviously been privy to some really classified stuff.

Last Wednesday the vendor returned with new video surveilance camera and accompanying PC. The system is now up and running. I still have to make adjustments to position and stabilize all components and bring three cameras into focus on a split screen. Next Monday a computer expert is coming to show me how to connect everything to my PC so that selected viewers can watch the system live from their own PCs any place in the world.

This thread will end here and pick up at a new post site after the computer guy shows me how to put everything live on line. The new thread will be called Second Remote PK experiment

Kindly let me know if you want to be one of these viewers at my new email address:

Sunday, January 17, 2010
Below is a photo of yours truly taken at Jack's PK Party #174 in Huntington Beach on July 28, 1987. Notice the RPK device to the left, belt high. The two hanging objects are the same as now (January 17, 2020), except the two identical spring assemblies consisted of 5 one-inch-long tiny springs hooked together. The current spring assemblies each consist of 4 one-inch-long tiny springs, so that both objects are now hang at the same level an inch higher than in the 1987 photo.

Close up of the RPK device at PK Party #174.

Saturday, July 11, 2009


July 11, 2009

Dr. Joseph Dillard

Below is a recent email from Dr. Joseph Dillard giving an excellent example of his Integral Deep Listening (IDL) technique. He has generously allowed me to publish it here. The bold questions may be applied to any dream or event. His personal responses give insights that speak for themselves.

Joseph Dillard's IDL website is:

Dear Eugene,

I'm back from Europe! Here's an intrapsychic update!

Three life issues:

1. Building IDL [Integral Deep Listening] - getting it to as many people as possible in the time I have
2. Keeping focused - not letting myself get distracted by stuff I don’t have any real power over - aging, the behavior of other people.
3. Resistance to becoming Sangha members and following their recommendations

Tell me a dream you remember. It can be an old one, a repetitive dream, a nightmare, or one that you’re sure you understand.

July 10
I am helping people get over a high and difficult mountain pass, I believe in a wheeled cart. While I am doing so I am telling them that there are at least five or six dimensions, which they don’t believe. While they understand the three dimensions of space, I have them experience time and their feelings. Claudia is in the dream and I think also her mother, Ingrid.

Why do you think that you had this dream?

The content is influenced by our going over the high alpine pass in Austria just a couple of weeks ago. It’s also influenced by me teaching and being a teacher. Also, I spent considerable time at the end of this last trip with Ingrid, Claudia’s mother. It definitely strengthened our relationship. Also, when I teach, I have people learn about new perspectives by becoming them, similar to how I have the people experience time and their feelings in this dream.

If it were playing at a theater, what name would be on the marquee?

“Alpine Dimensions”

These are the characters in the dream…

Claudia, her mother, people, the Alps, a wheeled cart, different dimensions.

If one character had something especially important to tell you, which would it be?

Wheeled Cart

(Character,) would you please tell me what you look like and what you are doing?

I am a simple, rough, wooden two or four-wheeled cart with upright logs or boards. I could be pulled by horses or a car, I suppose. There are people standing in me. I don’t know what pulls me. I am transporting people over this mountain pass.

What do you like most about yourself in this experience? What are your strengths?

I am helping people ascend, move over obstacles, and move into new territory with new possibilities. I am sturdy and get the job done.

What do you dislike most about yourself? Do you have weaknesses? What are they?

Well, I’m not the smoothest or fastest ride around! By today’s standards I am definitely impractical! The number of people I can hold is limited and I am not self-propelled. The people inside me don’t control me, nor do I control myself. I rely on something outside myself to move, and I am not even sure what it is, since it doesn’t seem to be in this dream. But there is no doubt that I have effectively gotten people this far: to the top of a very, very high pass. The heavy lifting is done. They could walk from here. Maybe they don’t need me any more!

(Character), you are in this person’s dream or life experience, correct? They created you, right?_____ (Character), what aspect of this person do you represent or most closely personify?

Joseph’s slow, plodding, limited growth to this point. It could have been faster and easier, but oh well. It has gotten him to an exceptional vantage point. It has done its job. A new stage is now available.

If you could change this experience in any way you wanted, would you? If so, how would you change it?

From now on people get their choice of ways to proceed. Some may choose to walk, others to drive cars, others to take trains, others to fly, others to continue in old wheeled carts like myself.

(Character,) if you could be anywhere you wanted to be and take any form you desired, would you change? If so, how?

I would not change. I would simply remain as one of a multiplicity of alternatives.

(Continue, answering as the transformed object, if it chose to change.)

(Character), how would you score yourself 0-10, in confidence, compassion, wisdom, acceptance, peace of mind, and witnessing? (And why?)

Confidence: 10 I’m in one piece and still sturdy after hauling all these people up here. I am extremely reliable because I’m
Compassion: 10 I exist to serve others.
Wisdom: ? I don’t need wisdom. I just am.
Acceptance: 10 What’s not to accept?
Inner Peace: 10 I don’t worry about things humans worry about.
Witnessing: 8 While I am way detached compared to humans, I am
definitely part of the growth process

(Character,) if you scored tens in all six of these qualities, would you be different? If so, how?

I would find my life to be extraordinarily funny! Here I am a cart, rather like Sisyphus, but not minding my fate at all. In fact, I rather enjoy the absurdity of people using something like me in a high-tech age.

How would the life of the person who created you be different if he/she naturally scored high in all six of these qualities all the time?

He would be laughing at himself and his life all the time! I doubt that there would be much that he would take seriously! He would also be mindful of an extraordinary range of options that are available to him. He wouldn’t limit himself by doing and being who he has been to this point.

If you could live the life of the person who created you for him/her, how would you live it differently?

See above.

If you could live this person’s waking life for him/her today, would you handle his/her three life issues differently? If so, how?

Regarding building IDL, it’s quality over quantity. What I have provided is quality growth that allowed you to stop and smell the roses and appreciate things you miss when you travel at a faster speed. Everything is going to speed up now. Don’t forget me!

Regarding keeping focused, I don’t have that problem. I am focused. Be me when you want to be focused.

Regarding resistance to becoming Sangha members and following their recommendations, I think you’re ridiculous. You do an incredibly good job of that and you’re getting better at it all the time. So lighten up!

What three life issues would you focus on if you were in charge of his/her life?

Quality over quantity.
Versatility and adaptability

In what life situations would it be most beneficial for this person to imagine that they are you and act as you would?

When he gets rattled or takes things too seriously.

Why do you think that you are in this person’s life experience (or dream)?

To get him to take the large view. To see the big picture.

Why do you think that he had this dream?

To show him how far he’s come. To show him he has really made a difference in the lives of other people and other aspects of himself. To show him that if he can do that for one he can do that for millions.

(Insert a question or questions about other characters/actions in the dream...)

What about those dimensions?

What about them? You help people see them, take them into account, and grow into them. It’s one way of understanding what you do. It’s called expanding consciousness. It’s called waking up.

How is this person most likely to ignore what you are saying to them?

Oh, getting immersed in minutia. Taking himself, stuff, too seriously.

(Dreamer,) what have you heard yourself say?

I’m on track. Lighten up. Enjoy. Relax.

(Dreamer,) if this experience were a wake-up call from your soul, what do you think it would be saying to you?

Life is absurd. Growth is good, and it doesn’t really matter if it’s slow or fast or whether we think it’s difficult or easy, bad or good.

Joseph Dillard and I met in 1987 just after I had created the CREEI Process for business and industry. His insights and counsel over the years since then have been invaluable and he has become one of my very best friends.

His most recent creation of INTEGRAL DEEP LISTENING has been of particular personal and professional help. I have unashamedly (with his permission) added his Deep Listening interview questions to my own CREEI process, which I now call CREATIVE DEEP LISTENING or CDL (not to be confused with "commercial drivers license"! ;-) )